[conlang_learners] food for thought

[Dayle Hill]

I'm definately with James and Kate. It does excite me at the prospect of the chosen conlang coming 'alive' (especially if it was my own) although I appreciate that some on the list already have a community of sorts and have developed and changed their dynamics over many years. As I said in my original post, a fresh pair of eyes looking over one's conlang can sometimes help you over some serious grammatical hurdles. I know it would with me.
Dayle


"I'm strange to those who are normal, and normal to those who are strange; quite frankly-I prefer the latter"!

--- On Tue, 23/6/09, conlang_learners-request at conlang.org <conlang_learners-request at conlang.org> wrote:


From: conlang_learners-request at conlang.org <conlang_learners-request at conlang.org>
Subject: conlang_learners Digest, Vol 1, Issue 42
To: conlang_learners at conlang.org
Date: Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 8:02 PM


Send conlang_learners mailing list submissions to
    conlang_learners at conlang.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
    http://lists.conlang.org/listinfo.cgi/conlang_learners-conlang.org
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
    conlang_learners-request at conlang.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
    conlang_learners-owner at conlang.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of conlang_learners digest..."


Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Food for thought (James Montgomery)
   2. Re: Food for thought (kate rhodes)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Montgomery <dreamripple at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] Food for thought
To: conlang_learners at conlang.org
Message-ID: <251683.84256.qm at web54401.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


You know, I really hadn't thought much about this, but really started thinking about it with both of these posts. 

I agree with respecting the owner's wishes concerning adaptation allowances. If the evolution is something we would like to see, then shouldn't those languages that allow for such adaptations be given greater weight at decision-making time? I'm not saying we would have to have the authority to make the changes, as the creator could do that if s/he so chooses to (or not). 

Once the pool of speakers gets large enough (if ever), then it will adapt. Natlangs have shown this to happen of the grand scale and it will happen on the micro scale also. Esperanto is seeing this, to be sure.

If the conlang is inflexible, then increasing the poo, of speakers will cause some potential friction. So, again, should we not give greater weight to those with some mechanism for "official" change?

James



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:36:01 -0400
From: kate rhodes <masukomi at masukomi.org>
Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] Food for thought
To: conlang_learners at conlang.org
Message-ID:
    <8c7320670906231136y3f6f0a65wcfca0a4a0872b46c at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

> If the conlang is inflexible, then increasing the poo, of speakers will
> cause some potential friction. So, again, should we not give greater weight
> to those with some mechanism for "official" change?


the inflexibility is precisely why i didn't bother to keep up with Toki
Pona. I appreciate its philosophy but the fact that there are problems (like
the total inability to indicate the center of a circle)  but you have zero
hope of the language growing or changing to compensate for them, is very
frustrating. All languages have failings, but all living languages evolve to
handle problems and new concepts.

-Kate
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.conlang.org/pipermail/conlang_learners-conlang.org/attachments/20090623/5ddc0663/attachment.html>

------------------------------

_______________________________________________
conlang_learners mailing list
conlang_learners at conlang.org
http://lists.conlang.org/listinfo.cgi/conlang_learners-conlang.org


End of conlang_learners Digest, Vol 1, Issue 42
***********************************************



      
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.conlang.org/pipermail/conlang_learners-conlang.org/attachments/20090623/7ce4d93a/attachment-0003.htm>