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<DIV>This system seems to be good (insofar my poor English knowledges allows me to understand it...), except two things about the list of "prefered conlangs" each one of us will cast into the ballot. </DIV>
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<DIV>1°) First of all, each vote should be reduced to, let's say, 10 conlangs or less (Imagine that everyone of us proposes a whole list of all the conlangs of the Frath list in order of preference...). </DIV>
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<DIV>2°) But the biggest problem may be about the computation of preferences, as already put forward by the Marquis de Condorcet: </DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_paradox">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_paradox</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Thus, the solution may be to limit the number of conlangs in each vote (ex: 10); then my choice n°1 will get 10 points, my choice n°2 will get 9 points, etc... </DIV>
<DIV>A voter is not obliged to propose 10 conlangs; if he only proposes 1 conlang, then this only choice will get 10 points and that's all. </DIV>
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<DIV>Of course, if the result brings conlangs with an equal number of points, then we'll revote on these propositions only. </DIV>
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<DIV>Spehm to est kafi clar...</DIV>
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<DIV>Olivier</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/">http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/</A> <BR><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 8/16/09, Jim Henry <I><jimhenry1973@gmail..com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] voting system<BR>To: conlang_learners@conlang.org<BR>Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 7:51 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>2009/7/27 Larry Sulky <<A href="http://us.mc574..mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larrysulky@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:larrysulky@gmail.com">larrysulky@gmail.com</A>>:<BR>> I was going to say that I support either method, but I think it's more<BR>> accurate now to say that I support whichever one Jim prefers. I find he's a<BR>> reliable thinker-through of such things. --larry<BR><BR>Thanks for the vote of confidence.<BR><BR>We've been going back and forth on this for a couple of months with no<BR>firm decision. I propose the following procedure; if anyone else<BR>strongly feels some aspect of it (or the whole thing) should be<BR>different, say so now and we'll have a straw poll on the voting<BR>procedure. If no one objects, we'll follow this procedure, which is<BR>based on what looks to me like the consensus or at least majority view<BR>in the discussions so far.<BR><BR>0. Let's all try to post as
many reviews and comments on nominated<BR>conlangs as we can before September 1. I'll be busy studying Taruven<BR>for my turn in the inverse relay, but I'll try to do at least one or<BR>two more reviews myself.<BR><BR>1. We'll use instant-runoff voting. A ballot should consist of a<BR>list of one or more of the conlangs from the "Learners' shortlist",<BR>listed in order of your most to least preferred conlang to learn. You<BR>can list as many of the conlangs on the shortlist you want. If there<BR>are any you have no interest at all in learning, you should leave them<BR>off your ballot.<BR><BR><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting</A><BR><BR><A href="http://wiki.frath.net/Learners_shortlist" target=_blank>http://wiki.frath.net/Learners_shortlist</A><BR><BR><BR>2. Voters should email their ballots offlist to Philip Newton
and one<BR>or two other volunteers (we need at least one more volunteer who<BR>doesn't have a conlang of their own nominated) not sooner than<BR>September 1 (midnight GMT) and not later than September 8 (midnight<BR>GMT).<BR><BR><BR>3. Philip and the other volunteer(s) will independently count the<BR>ballots sometime between September 8 and September 15. They'll email<BR>each other privately with the detailed results of their count to check<BR>each other's work.<BR><BR><BR>4. Once the volunteers are satisfied they've counted the votes<BR>accurately, they'll announce the results to the conlang_learners<BR>mailing list (and perhaps in other places; see below).<BR><BR><BR>5. If we already have permission to use the chosen conlang, we'll dive<BR>in and start using it. If not, we'll contact the conlang's creator,<BR>and if we don't get permission, we'll go to the runner-up from the<BR>voting and use it if we already have permission,
ask permission if we<BR>don't, and iterate if necessary.<BR><BR><BR>Does that suit everyone? In particular, does the date range for<BR>voting suit everyone (I'm a little concerned that it includes a major<BR>U.S. holiday weekend) and does the date range for vote counting suit<BR>Philip and whoever else is willing to volunteer to count votes?<BR><BR>Another idea I thought of is that the vote counters could announce to<BR>the list that they've finished counting the votes, and will announce<BR>the result live on a certain IRC channel at a certain date and time.<BR>In that event, they should privately contact the creator of the chosen<BR>conlang, get their permission if we don't already have it, and make<BR>sure the date and time for the IRC meet suits the conlang creator as<BR>well as all the vote counters, before making an announcement.<BR><BR>The vote counters might, depending on the patterns they see in the<BR>voting, recommend a split into two
groups studying different<BR>languages, or not. If they don't recommend a split but a significant<BR>minority of list members are unhappy with the conlang chosen by the<BR>vote, said minority should probably get together to organize another<BR>vote, by whatever method and criteria for eligibility they choose, a<BR>little later on.<BR><BR>I'm liable to be out of town with intermittent Internet access<BR>sometime between September 14 and September 26 (not sure exactly what<BR>days yet).<BR><BR>-- <BR>Jim Henry<BR><A href="http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/" target=_blank>http://www.pobox..com/~jimhenry/</A><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>conlang_learners mailing list<BR><A href="http://us.mc574.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.conlang.org/listinfo.cgi/conlang_learners-conlang.org"
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