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<DIV>HI all. I have just joined in so forgive me for being a little ignorant. I just wondered why there seems to be a general consensus 'against' IE conlangs, or at least conlangs with IE features? Are we looking to learn something that has a grammar 'unlike' any natural language, or a conlang that has a completely unique lexicon? My own conlang, Dal'qörian
<DIV>HI all. I have just joined in so forgive me for being a little ignorant. I just wondered why there seems to be a general consensus 'against' IE conlangs, or at least conlangs with IE features? Are we looking to learn something that has a grammar 'unlike' any natural language, or a conlang that has a completely unique lexicon? My own conlang, Dal'qörian <A href="http://wiki.frath.net/Dal%27q%C3%B6rian" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://wiki.frath.net/Dal%27q%C3%B6rian</A> is IE in style, and has a fictional history based in the real world-but also has many unique features like so many of the conlangs out there. </DIV>
<DIV>I'm just curious as to how we reach an agreement on this...will there be a vote to 'narrow down' IE vs non IE, Romance, Agglutinative, etc etc...or is it going to be based purely on a majority no matter what the style?</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>Dayle. is IE in style, and has a fictional history based in the real world-but also has many unique features like so many of the conlangs out there. </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I'm just curious as to how we reach an agreement on this...will there be a vote to 'narrow down' IE vs non IE, Romance, Agglutinative, etc etc...or is it going to be based purely on a majority no matter what the style?</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>Dayle.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#6000bf size=4>"Can the future really be predicted? Even those who claim that they can, look both ways before they cross the road"!</FONT></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 14/6/09, conlang_learners-request@conlang.org <I><conlang_learners-request@conlang.org></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners-owner@conlang.org">conlang_learners-owner@conlang.org</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of conlang_learners digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Re: ADMIN (?) (Roger Mills)<BR> 2. My Thoughts (Daniel Jacobson)<BR> 3. Re: ADMIN (?) (Arthaey Angosii)<BR> 4. Re: Welcome, and some proposals for what conlang to learn<BR> (Jim Henry)<BR> 5. Re: ADMIN (?) (Jim Henry)<BR> 6. Re: Welcome, and some proposals for what conlang to learn<BR> (Jim Henry)<BR> 7. Re: ADMIN (?) (Roger Mills)<BR> 8. Re: Thoughts (Jim
Henry)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:51:49 -0400<BR>From: "Roger Mills" <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rfmilly@msn.com" ymailto="mailto:rfmilly@msn.com">rfmilly@msn.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] ADMIN (?)<BR>To: <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=BAY102-DAV37A4B69370C505215362FAC400@phx.gbl" ymailto="mailto:BAY102-DAV37A4B69370C505215362FAC400@phx.gbl">BAY102-DAV37A4B69370C505215362FAC400@phx.gbl</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";<BR> reply-type=original<BR><BR>(Re failure of links in my emails to be highlighted/clickable)<BR><BR>Thanks for your reply,
Arthaey.......<BR>Well, this is very confusing. I've been sending msgs to Conlang Learners via <BR>Windows Live Hotmail-- where I see there's a little icon to insert a <BR>hyperlink; it works. I simply wasn't aware of it until now as it seems to me <BR>that in the past (when I used WLH and this addr. for Conlang) I didn't have <BR>to do that.....<BR><BR>I'm sending this msg. via Outlook Express, let's see if OE can do it without <BR>that extra step--<BR><A href="http://cinduworld.tripod.com/foucault.pdf" target=_blank>http://cinduworld.tripod.com/foucault.pdf</A><BR><BR>Yes it can!!! waddayaknow...........<BR><BR>Quo usque tandem abutere, O Microsoft, nostra patientia? <BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:12:22 -0700<BR>From: Daniel Jacobson <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mustanghockey10@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:mustanghockey10@hotmail.com">mustanghockey10@hotmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: [conlang_learners] My Thoughts<BR>To: <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SNT120-W92F8EBAE928FBE1F08243AA400@phx.gbl" ymailto="mailto:SNT120-W92F8EBAE928FBE1F08243AA400@phx.gbl">SNT120-W92F8EBAE928FBE1F08243AA400@phx.gbl</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR><BR>Hi everyone,<BR><BR><BR><BR>I decided to join in on this project because as it turns out I just don't seem to have the<BR><BR>energy to create a conlang of my own and would rather help bring one already created<BR><BR>to life, so to speak. I'm committed to learning one (of the two, if we do have 2 different<BR><BR>groups after all) languages that is selected, but I'd prefer
a language not already connected<BR><BR>with a conculture, as I kinda hope to be able to use the language to write in it without <BR><BR>having to also know the culture. I've taken a preliminary look at some of the languages<BR><BR>mentioned and I like what I see in Vabungula and Vorlin especially, but it's a long time until<BR><BR>September so I have an open mind right now. I also would prefer something with a non-IE<BR><BR>grammar, although that's not crucial for me.<BR><BR><BR><BR>-Daniel J.<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. <BR><A href="http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009" target=_blank>http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009</A><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <<A
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ymailto="mailto:fee2da410906131458g777b7354q112ba68b878c40fb@mail.gmail.com">fee2da410906131458g777b7354q112ba68b878c40fb@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<BR><BR>On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Roger Mills<<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rfmilly@msn.com" ymailto="mailto:rfmilly@msn.com">rfmilly@msn.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> (Re failure of links in my emails to be highlighted/clickable)<BR><BR>My guess is that both Hotmail and Outlook default to HTML email, so<BR>you can create clickable links.<BR><BR>The difference is probably that Outlook notices things that look like<BR>URLs as you type them and turns them into links for you. Whereas<BR>Hotmail makes you explicitly click its hyperlink icon to turn it into<BR>a link.<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>AA<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:26:59 -0400<BR>From: Jim Henry <<A
href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jimhenry1973@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:jimhenry1973@gmail.com">jimhenry1973@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] Welcome, and some proposals for what<BR> conlang to learn<BR>To: <A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=8e02713f0906132026n46fc0372s4ef5961f0835c0b8@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:8e02713f0906132026n46fc0372s4ef5961f0835c0b8@mail.gmail.com">8e02713f0906132026n46fc0372s4ef5961f0835c0b8@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>2009/6/13 Alexandre Baudry <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=abaudry@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:abaudry@hotmail.com">abaudry@hotmail.com</A>>:<BR>>> From: <A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=0zu149@gmx.de" ymailto="mailto:0zu149@gmx.de">0zu149@gmx.de</A><BR><BR>> Me too, I am very impressed by Ilaksh and Ithkuil. It seems that these<BR><BR>Learning Ilaksh or Ithkuil would be daunting, but also wonderfully<BR>cool. They wouldn't be my first-ranked choices among the conlangs<BR>people have mentioned so far -- my preference would be for a conlang<BR>whose speakability has already been somewhat proven by its<BR>creator -- but if one of John Quijada's conlangs is the consensus<BR>winner of an IRV ballot I would not be at all displeased or inclined<BR>to drop out because of the apparent difficulty of learning them.<BR><BR>>> Does someone know whether ressources on Fith still exist?<BR><BR><A href="http://www.langmaker.com/fith.htm"
target=_blank>http://www.langmaker.com/fith.htm</A><BR><BR>A lot of pages on langmaker seem to be broken, but the Fith<BR>subsection seems OK.<BR><BR>>> > I have nothing against artlangs, but it seems that two lists is better<BR>>> > than one.<BR>>> ><BR>>> Not sure whether it is smart to think about 'riva... err, splitting up now<BR>>> already. It would weaken the idea of the community.<BR>><BR>> No rivality, just different wishes.<BR><BR>Let's postpone deciding about that for now. We can discuss<BR>various possible conlangs to learn, and then collect IRV-type<BR>ballots ranking or rating the various conlangs people are<BR>interested in learning; given those ballots, we can analyze the<BR>set of preferences and see if all learning one conlang or splitting<BR>into two or even three groups would maximize average voter<BR>satisfaction, as Sai suggested.<BR><BR>There are over 40 subscribers to
this list. Even if only half<BR>of us stick with the project long enough to start learning<BR>a conlang we pick, dividing into two groups may still leave<BR>groups large enough to be viable.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Jim Henry<BR><A href="http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/" target=_blank>http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/</A><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:44:43 -0400<BR>From: Jim Henry <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jimhenry1973@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:jimhenry1973@gmail.com">jimhenry1973@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] ADMIN (?)<BR>To: <A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=8e02713f0906132044g533fe5dataad92a5f42d0df2f@mail.gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:8e02713f0906132044g533fe5dataad92a5f42d0df2f@mail.gmail.com">8e02713f0906132044g533fe5dataad92a5f42d0df2f@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Arthaey Angosii<<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arthaey@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:arthaey@gmail.com">arthaey@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Roger Mills<<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rfmilly@msn.com" ymailto="mailto:rfmilly@msn.com">rfmilly@msn.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> (Re failure of links in my emails to be highlighted/clickable)<BR>><BR>> My guess is that both Hotmail and Outlook default to HTML email, so<BR>> you can create clickable links.<BR><BR>However, if I'm not mistaken, I have the settings for<BR>this mailing list such that when people send HTML<BR>email to the list, it gets converted to plain text before<BR>being
sent to all the list members.<BR><BR>I could turn that off if there's a general demand for<BR>it, but I would prefer not to.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Jim Henry<BR><A href="http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/" target=_blank>http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/</A><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 6<BR>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:50:59 -0400<BR>From: Jim Henry <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jimhenry1973@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:jimhenry1973@gmail.com">jimhenry1973@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] Welcome, and some proposals for what<BR> conlang to learn<BR>To: <A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A
href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=8e02713f0906132050r2c0217cv7745be16bac2df54@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:8e02713f0906132050r2c0217cv7745be16bac2df54@mail.gmail.com">8e02713f0906132050r2c0217cv7745be16bac2df54@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<BR><BR>On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Mechthild Czapp<<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=0zu149@gmx.de" ymailto="mailto:0zu149@gmx.de">0zu149@gmx.de</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>>> > Not sure whether it is smart to think about 'riva... err, splitting up<BR>>> now already.<BR><BR>> 'riva just means 'to split up in 2 parts/to fork' it was one of the times when I thought of the rejistanian word before the English or German one, and I just wanted to share that blunder ;)<BR><BR>A few days ago, at the supper the night before my<BR>cousin's wedding, some of our friend and relations<BR>were talking about use of PDAs and computers
vs.<BR>paper notebooks, index cards, etc. My uncle (the<BR>bride's father) said something about preferring index<BR>cards or a portable small notebook to a PDA, and<BR>I unthinkingly said "? mew" (gzb: "Me too"), taking<BR>a couple of index cards [with notes on Taruven's<BR>inflectional suffixes, for preparing for the inverse relay]<BR>from my pocket. I was immediately embarrassed<BR>by my inappropriate code-switching, but nobody<BR>seemed to notice or mind; perhaps the gesture<BR>made the meaning of what I said clear enough,<BR>and there was enough background noise that they<BR>assumed I had actually said "me too" and it sounded<BR>weird because of the noise of other conversations<BR>at neighboring tables.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Jim Henry<BR><A href="http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/" target=_blank>http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/</A><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 7<BR>Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:02:05
-0400<BR>From: "Roger Mills" <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rfmilly@msn.com" ymailto="mailto:rfmilly@msn.com">rfmilly@msn.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] ADMIN (?)<BR>To: <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=BAY102-DAV4D8B631DEE7E71C318228AC410@phx.gbl" ymailto="mailto:BAY102-DAV4D8B631DEE7E71C318228AC410@phx.gbl">BAY102-DAV4D8B631DEE7E71C318228AC410@phx.gbl</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";<BR> reply-type=original<BR><BR>Jim Henry wrote:<BR><BR><BR>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Arthaey Angosii<<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arthaey@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:arthaey@gmail.com">arthaey@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Roger Mills<<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rfmilly@msn.com" ymailto="mailto:rfmilly@msn.com">rfmilly@msn.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>>> (Re failure of links in my emails to be highlighted/clickable)<BR>>><BR>>> My guess is that both Hotmail and Outlook default to HTML email, so<BR>>> you can create clickable links.<BR>><BR>> However, if I'm not mistaken, I have the settings for<BR>> this mailing list such that when people send HTML<BR>> email to the list, it gets converted to plain text before<BR>> being sent to all the list members.<BR><BR>The msg. I sent via OE (with a url correctly highlighted) went thru OK, so <BR>it seems to be no longer a problem for my end.........<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 8<BR>Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:21:46 -0400<BR>From: Jim Henry <<A
href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jimhenry1973@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:jimhenry1973@gmail.com">jimhenry1973@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [conlang_learners] Thoughts<BR>To: <A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=8e02713f0906132221x63ee2849o99434f7b9d5b6a81@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:8e02713f0906132221x63ee2849o99434f7b9d5b6a81@mail.gmail.com">8e02713f0906132221x63ee2849o99434f7b9d5b6a81@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Wayne S. Rossi<<A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felianan@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:felianan@yahoo.com">felianan@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Eugene Oh <<A
href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=un.doing@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:un.doing@gmail.com">un.doing@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>> We probably shouldn't use such<BR>>> subjective criteria in judging the conlangs we have here.<BR>>> "Ugly" and "well-made" differ from<BR>>> person to person, and are potentially insulting.<BR>>> Eugene<BR>><BR>> I don't entirely agree. ?I think that a lot of what will be needed in the project of actually learning a language is going to be having a subjective attraction to it.<BR><BR>There's a difference between using subjective criteria to judge<BR>conlangs -- that's more or less inevitable because objective criteria<BR>are only applicable to engelangs and in some respects to auxlangs, and<BR>even there, the selection of a particular set of objective criteria is<BR>itself subjective -- and expressing the results of one's judgment in a<BR>potentially insulting
way. The latter verges on flaming, which is not<BR>allowed here or on any well-moderated list.<BR><BR>The odds of S.A. MacLagan finding this list, readings its archives,<BR>and being insulted by Olivier's comment are slim, given that he's<BR>apparently dropped off the net some years ago. And I'd like to avoid<BR>moderating this list with too heavy a hand -- still, let's avoid<BR>describing specific conlangs as ugly *tout court*, whether the creator<BR>of said conlang is a member of this list or not.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Jim Henry<BR><A href="http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/" target=_blank>http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/</A><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>conlang_learners mailing list<BR><A href="http://uk.mc258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" ymailto="mailto:conlang_learners@conlang.org">conlang_learners@conlang.org</A><BR><A
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