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<DIV>So, I told there are two criteria that can be used to characterize an IE grammar: </DIV>
<DIV>- Presence of flexion (this criterium is common with Semitic). Even Modern IE languages still retain some traces. </DIV>
<DIV>Examples: Eng. foot = plural: feet</DIV>
<DIV>French: "mourir" (to die) = but "il meurt" (he dies)</DIV>
<DIV>- The neutral gender has similar forms at the nominative and the accusative. This may come from the fact that Primeval IE had no Nominative for the neutral gender. </DIV>
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<DIV>Some auxlangs can have their entire vocabulary from IE but they may not fullfill these criteria. I think at Uropi which is not IE grammatically speaking. On the contrary C.Quilès (of the Dnghu Project which aims a revival of Old IE) admitted that Sambahsa has a IE grammar. </DIV>
<DIV>Sambahsa is, with Frenkish, the only auxlang which makes use of Ablauts (flexion within a stem) but in Sambahsa, this system is regular. </DIV>
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<DIV>Jim was right to point out the difference between IE and "Standard Average European". </DIV>
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<DIV>Personnally, I strove to include Sprachbund features into Sambahsa, from the SAE as well as from the Balkan Sprachbund. </DIV>
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<DIV>Olivier</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/">http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/</A> <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 6/14/09, Olivier Simon <I><cafaristeir@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Sellamat Arthaey !</DIV>
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<DIV>I see that Jim has already given you a good answer, thus I've got little to add. </DIV>
<DIV>It's good to put the vocabulary issue apart from the grammar issue. To speak simply, I would say there are two important criteria to characterize <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 6/14/09, Arthaey Angosii <I><arthaey@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=plainMail>English is my native language and Spanish is the only other language I<BR>can hold a conversation in. So while my artlang Asha'ille is a priori,<BR>I'm "concerned" that it adheres too closely to whatever makes IE<BR>languages look IE.<BR><BR>What are the defining characteristics of an Indo-European language,<BR>con- or natlang? (Apart from shared vocabulary/etymology, of course.)<BR>What grammatical features make a language IE-like? Are those features<BR>found also in non-IE languages?<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>AA<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>conlang_learners mailing list<BR><A href="http://us.mc574.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=conlang_learners@conlang.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>conlang_learners@conlang.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.conlang.org/listinfo.cgi/conlang_learners-conlang.org" target=_blank
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